2019 Cherokee oddities and interesting bits

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 07/03/2018 at 12:53 • Filed to: None

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For one I think it looks better. Not...great, but better. Second, they snuck in the hurricane 2.0 engine. 270 hp and 295 lbs feet. Which beats out the 3.2 at 271 hp and 239 lbs-ft. Whats interesting is that it not only gets a more aggressive axle ratio (3.734:1 VS 3.517 for the V6), which seems backwards for a more powerful engine but it also comes with a lesser tow rating. 4000 lbs VS 4500 lbs. The upshot is a better crawl ratio of 52:1 plus they claim a few mpg boost Trailhawk VS Trailhawk

20/26/22 city highway combined VS 18/24/21

The downside is that, like the Wrangler with this engine, its not predicted to actually save you any money since it requires premium. In fact the 2.0 is predicted to cost $50 a year more in fuel than the V6.

I dunno, I feel like I could really like this car. It fills in so many boxes (boxen?)

Can tow the a decent sized trailer

can do decently difficult trails

can get decent mileage

no longer looks like it wants to chomp me like a tootsie pop (as much)

And yet...no. I think if they redesigned the next gen with some lessons learned from the renegade and made it a little more “Jeep” and engineered in an upgrade path (lift kits, ets) they would really have something.

RutRut > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:03

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I’m genuinely curious what real world economy numbers look like for old vs. new with the powertrain changes. 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:04

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The gearing might be for longevity reasons. I’d guess they’ve tuned it so that the 2.0 is typically running more “normally” - i.e. not very boosted at low R unless absolutely stomped on - for a host of reasons, but that peak torque is available to draw on . Which means they’re trying to get the 2.0 to feel like the 3.2, bill it as having “more power” and still thread their mileage numbers needle and not have them blow up left and right.

OPPOsaurus WRX > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:04

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so in summary it will go to the mall and back without 99% of the owner no ticing a difference

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:05

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http://www.fuelly.com/car/jeep/cherokee

HammerheadFistpunch > RutRut 07/03/2018 at 13:06

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I would bet the Turbo will get great highway mileage since it has a higher chance of getting into and staying into 9th gear with having more low end power (assuming they recalibrate the trans well... ) I would bet around town it will get worse mileage on account of the way these turbo engines are calibrated to boost low and early.  depending on how you use it it could be better or worse.  

HammerheadFistpunch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/03/2018 at 13:08

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Thats what I wonder.  Still...makes you wonder why the lower tow rating?  Numerically higher axle ratio and more torque with an otherwise similar vehicle.  Weird.  

HammerheadFistpunch > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/03/2018 at 13:08

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Correct.  But this is the one that gets better mileage so its better.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 07/03/2018 at 13:09

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Thats pretty good with the V6.  Right in line with the EPA numbers which...is frankly amazing.  

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:12

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ye that’s what i was thinking too

i love that site

benjrblant > Nibby 07/03/2018 at 13:19

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it loves you too.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:20

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Lower tow rating because higher revs and higher compression in the cylinders/etc. , I would assume. Higher level of stress throughout, which is okay for situations other than a long haul.

It’s the Toyotas blowing up and immortal Crown Vics at LeMons paradigm. Longevity under one set of parameters can be an entirely different thing when those parameters change.

benjrblant > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:20

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Suspension changes, maybe?

beautimouse > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 13:22

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B o x e n . Y e s . M o o s e n , b o x e n . R e g a n c r a c k s m e u p t oo with that bit.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 14:40

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Boxen!!!!

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 15:00

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I think I’ll keep my Grand Cherokee Overland, much like this one ^,  although I would not say no to an up-optioned GC Trailhawk.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 15:00

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Very, very few people are buying it for their off road chops. It’s a tough sell with the trail hawk going for >$30k

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/03/2018 at 15:13

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I don’t know, I think an overtly outdoorsy smallish crossover with above average towing is a popular combo right now.  I don’t think people will ever use low range or the locking diff, but the package is pretty attractive.  I would wager those red tow hooks sell more trailhwaks than the locking diff does.  

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > benjrblant 07/03/2018 at 15:24

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It loves both of you!

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 15:30

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Those red tow hooks look great. It’s amazing how an accessory like that changes the entire look of the vehicle.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 15:45

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I’ve heard off- roading in a turbocharged engine is substantially different due to the power being generally higher in the revs than a NA engine.  Thoughts?

Hmm now if only they’d put that engine in the Renegade too...

JR1 > HammerheadFistpunch 07/03/2018 at 15:47

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It is a small rugged looking Jeep odds are it will sell like hotc akes. It wouldn’t be my first or second choice for a crossover though. But the redesign has made it more appealing.

HammerheadFistpunch > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 07/03/2018 at 16:07

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I’ve heard off roading in the old turbo diesels sucked because of the lag but the new ones would be a HUGE boon to the single speed systems out there that lack low end power.

the 2.0 would be way too much for the little renne but a 1.6-1.8 with 225 or so lbs feet and 200+ hp would be perfect that little guy. just enough of a boost over the 2.4 to seem like an upgrade to the consumer, but a HUGE gain in low end power for the limited “low range”